tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post5728450999178229264..comments2023-10-30T11:57:40.433-04:00Comments on Wade Pfau's Retirement Researcher Blog: Safety-First Retirements Are Expensive with Low Interest Rates!Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04168922717655562721noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-29580864298609136032012-05-05T10:20:44.127-04:002012-05-05T10:20:44.127-04:00Thanks for the comments. I take it that you think ...Thanks for the comments. I take it that you think the "expense" of the safety-first retirement is just a realistic assessment about the cost of retiring.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168922717655562721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-3042653902082638962012-05-04T14:17:55.542-04:002012-05-04T14:17:55.542-04:00Somewhere there is a chart showing $100 per month ...Somewhere there is a chart showing $100 per month in I savings bonds versus $100 per month in the S&P 500 index fund- starting in 1998. No need to guess at the results I suppose. Someday Boomers will be burning effigies of Jeremy Siegel.... assuming they can't get their hands on him.<br />Unfortunately you can't put $30,000 in I bonds annually any more. FredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-87802682180415706902012-03-28T14:24:35.208-04:002012-03-28T14:24:35.208-04:00Well, the stock market has had a slight negative R...Well, the stock market has had a slight negative REAL yield since 2000. It appears that the s and p 500 since 2000 has given a nominal yield of 3% or so which is slightly less than CPI inflation. So what do you suggest a person to do. Setting up a TIPS ladder since 2000 has been a much better play than the stock market. <br /><br />I wonder what the next 10 years will bring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-66801040232466292102012-03-06T11:03:01.717-05:002012-03-06T11:03:01.717-05:00Hi Wade: Thanks for taking the time to comment an...Hi Wade: Thanks for taking the time to comment and the link.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-29686372424678703762012-03-06T06:52:16.001-05:002012-03-06T06:52:16.001-05:00Hi,
Thanks for making a comment.
I don't rea...Hi,<br /><br />Thanks for making a comment.<br /><br />I don't really think you are missing anything. The point of this post is just that the cost for doing this would be less than $100,000 if TIPS yields were higher than 0%. But there is nothing you can do about this. If you want to lock in that income floor, you have to pay what the market offers. And I think TIPS yields are just as likely to go further down than to go up, so there may not be any use in waiting.<br /><br />One small matter that you are missing, though, is just that you are exposed to the risk that you or your wife will still be alive after age 95. Well, that is great. But your money will be gone.<br /><br />I discussed some research about combining TIPS with a deferred income annuity here:<br /><br />http://wpfau.blogspot.com/2012/01/safe-retirement-income-with-tips-and.html<br /><br />Best wishes, WadeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168922717655562721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-4478413998459595282012-03-06T06:22:08.937-05:002012-03-06T06:22:08.937-05:00Hi Wade: I am new to your site and this particula...Hi Wade: I am new to your site and this particular post. <br /><br />I having been looking at this a bit different, so tell me what I am missing please.<br /><br />I create a TIPs ladder going out 30 years and starting 10 years from now. Instead of looking at interest rates or withdrawal rates, I simply want to have $5,000 a year in real dollars per year available. My wife and I will both be 95 in 30 years so we are not worried about reinvestment. So a twenty year ladder x $5,000 is $100,000. I put it in and I am done. I hold the bonds to maturity so I should receive $5,000 real dollars a year (baring default).<br /><br />What am I missing in looking at it this way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-76268729392002731482012-03-01T20:10:29.779-05:002012-03-01T20:10:29.779-05:00Thanks to both of you!
Anonymous, yes, it is alwa...Thanks to both of you!<br /><br />Anonymous, yes, it is always good to look at the same issue from many different perspectives to help strengthen the intuition. Thank you.<br /><br />I think another issue to look at is to then compare this table with the annuity payout rates I was looking at a couple of weeks ago.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168922717655562721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-68815288691369520952012-03-01T20:07:37.423-05:002012-03-01T20:07:37.423-05:00At a real interest rate of 0%, the real value of m...At a real interest rate of 0%, the real value of money is constant over time. Not surprisingly, you can draw your money out for 40 years at 2.5%, 30 years at 3.33%, 25 years at 4%, 20 years at 5%, etc. The most interesting part of the table is how little difference a real interest rate of 1% or so makes. I had not thought about that before, although a back-of-the-envelope calculation shows the same thing. For example, at 1% real, over 30 years, you collect approximately 15% of your principal as interest (because, on the average over the time period, about half of it remains), and over a 30-year period that would be about 0.5% per year, meaning that 3.5% withdrawals at 1% real will last just about as long as 3% withdrawals at 0% real, as indeed your table shows. Perhaps that's a simpler explanation for some readers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167053228142922997.post-79858187991756068172012-03-01T09:33:29.752-05:002012-03-01T09:33:29.752-05:00It's ironic (and disappointing) that Fed actio...It's ironic (and disappointing) that Fed actions designed to push people into stocks in order to aid the overall economic recovery will result in many retirement portfolios being put at risk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com