Here are some real-time notes taken at the Stanford
University Center on Longevity’s “Retirement Planning in the Age of Longevity” conference
(with credit to Bob Seawright for developing this style with his notes from the CFA
Institute annual conference in Chicago). This conference focused on bringing a
variety of voices together from industry and academia to discuss about issues
related to how to go about getting more Americans into the mindset of planning
for retirement.
Mostly, these are my interpretations of
what other people said. Out of respect for the fact that this is an opportunity
for people to experiment with ideas without necessarily having them attributed
as their own views or views of their employers, I decided to provide the
comments anonymously. Again, these are mostly my interpretations about the
ideas expressed by others at the conference.
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Setting the Stage
- Focus
is on those who have enough to not be fully dependent on Social Security, but
not enough to get detailed customized advice from professionals
- Focus
on what people should do, and how that can be guided by research
- Two
competing asset allocation views: 1. Stocks for the long run, in for the long haul; 2. risk perspective and
managing liabilities and avoiding shortfalls
- Retirement
is emotional issue and not just financial. People won’t be prepared to look at
finances and will be disengaged from the process until they’ve managed emotions
- World
is changing quickly with technology and cost of providing high quality advice
and monitoring; it is getting easier to get help for people
- How
do we measure retirement readiness? How do we get people motivated to pay
attention to post-retirement planning issues?
- People
seem to be in a state of denial about retirement (seems like the last stage
before death and so people would rather just not think about it, and are
otherwise intimidated to think about their finances and whether they’ve saved
enough)
- A
lot of Americans are in the category of: I just hope I die before the money
runs out
- Change
the nature of the conversation to more positive: plan for a long life; focus
less on frailty and aging
- Throughout
human evolutionary history, life has been short. Not many people survived to see
any grandkids. Only since 1800s, and really in less than a century, average
life expectancy shot up and doubled, compared to the whole previous history of
human history. Humans were not evolutionarily prepared for old age. It really
is something brand new for humans. Nothing in human history that has us
prepared to plan for the long term. Evolutionarily, humans were better off
focusing on the present and not trying to plan for the future. And so people
have a lot of trouble thinking about their future selves in old age. We need to
establish and real and emotional connection to our future selves. Make that
future person more than a stranger, and give that future self emotions with
wants, needs, and drives… not just an abstraction. Evolutionarily, shouldn’t sacrifice
today to plan for an uncertain future
- Since
no one seems to save for retirement, people feel okay not thinking about it
since it seems no one else is thinking about it anyway. It’s a social norm not
to plan. That has got to change
- Also,
so much uncertainty: pension plans not being paid, stock market drops,
companies going under. People would rather just not think about it
- John
Shoven’s new project: Efficient retirement design: best way to combine
financial assets and Social Security to get the most out of what you have.
- Retirement:
people don’t get practice. You’ve got to get it right the first time. There isn’t
room for mistakes and do-overs
- Problem:
you were always told to get into safe assets at retirement. But plans called
for 3% real returns on safe assets after retiring and now it is 0%.
- Retirement
is a 20th century invention. Before, you basically only ‘retired’ if
already well on the path to death and unable to work.
**
Pitfall #1: Failing to Plan
- Only
1/3 of those in their 50s have tried to devise a retirement plan. Fail to
calculate how much they will need, fail to make use of existing educational
resources
- Personal
responsibility: individuals could become disengaged in the recent past as
government and employers took care of pensions. Looking forward, what is the
role of employers? Are government programs sustainable? People are very rapidly
becoming personally responsible and may have missed the notice
- DB
to DC: employers are off-loading retirement obligations to employees and very
rapid speed.
- Employer
DC pensions Version 1.0 are not delivering the expected results
- Very
difficult to define retirement at the household level. Do people even view
themselves as being able to retirement. The view of retirement is shifting. What
is the role of work looking forward?
- When
planning for future, how much control do you really have? Involuntary job loss,
a health event that forces early retirement. You can make plans, but choices
about when to stop working may be made for you and may be out of your control
- Employees
like gradual retirement and continuing part time work, but employers may not
like that and may not want part timers.
- Hard
for people to internalize the consequences of failing to take action
- Past
generation: consequences of failing to plan meant parents moved in with
children. Bringing up this point may get people thinking about how this may
relate to their own children
- Most
people don’t have an emergency fund and may experience big setbacks by small
shocks. A big step must be overcome just to get people to maintain an emergency
fund. Makes it even more difficult to think about how to frame the retirement
issue
- Framing
retirement: maybe wrong approach is thinking about how to make the right
decisions. That is too hard. Could frame as a translation: saving x% of your
salary today translates into y% future spending level.
- Scary
to think you have to be right, but won’t know if you are right for many years
- Language
used around financial planning encourages very negative reactions among people
- Labor
mobility is very important in America, but makes the centralization of
retirement planning decisions more complicated
- People
feel they were tricked by financial services. Their portfolios have not grown. This
wasn’t supposed to happen
- Framing
the language. Example: cut your spending vs. simplify your life; don’t talk
about eating catfood as it is just discouraging. Language must be more
comforting
- Why
are people not planning: people think: I’ll just figure it out later, I’ve
always been able to do that and will do it again in the future. False
confidence.
- The
retirement and tax landscape will change a lot over time. Young people may plan
for one thing but then face something completely different
- Young
people: realize they will need to take personal responsibility. Current
generation of retirees: thought in terms of finding an employer with a good DB
pension
- Demographics:
could have DB because not so many elderly so it could be covered. But the huge
growth of 65+ plus means society can’t afford to bear all the risk for retirees
- Uncertainty
is the central feature of retirement planning, and humans are not good at
dealing with uncertainty. Financial planning tries to eliminate the uncertainty
by talking about deterministic returns, etc. Providing guaranteed products, but
doesn’t eliminate counterparty risk, etc.
- People
are more indebted now and we must look at retirement more holistically: how to
allocate between saving and paying down debt
- House:
in past it worked as a good savings vehicle. Build equity in a home paying down
mortgage over time. Stored wealth and provided potential source for retirement.
But that may also be breaking down. For a lot of people, retirement planning
meant Social Security plus paying down a debt on a mortgage
- When
educating on planning, need an immediate actionable step. People can only
engage for 7-10 minutes on this stressful topic, and if too much time is spent
on a topic people will disengage and never follow through
- 45%
never do anything at all with their 401(k) plan that just the initial
enrollment. This isn’t necessarily bad if they made good decisions at the start
- Uncertainty,
complexity, lack of control, opportunity to free ride by not planning
- Best
plans are those where employees are disengaged and may not know they have a
401(k). Auto enrollment, step up savings feature with good default asset allocation
assumptions. These plans bypass the need
to effectively educate the users. Good policies may guide better outcomes
rather than further consumer education
- Policy
changes: make it hard for people to make stupid decisions
- Reframe
retirement around financial planning that begins very early in life (such as
with Social Security) rather than specific retirement planning
- Alcoholics
Anonymous, Jenny Craig, WeightWatchers: understand how these organizations work
with people’s denial and engage them and help them to make positive
changes. Related, perhaps building peer
support models is helpful and critical
- People
may plan for a worst-case scenario, which is: I will work until I die. But this
isn’t the worst case scenario since can lose job. Another “worst-case scenario”
is to just live on interest, but that won’t work when interest rates are zero
- Financial
education vs. behavioral economics: not separate silos; we can help build better
fundamental traits early in life. Fix some problems such as no understanding
about compound interest, but that must start very early in life. Once people
get on a track, they are on autopilot. There are only a few moments where
people might change behavior, and we need to reach them at those times.
Marketers know this.
- People
not observing any disaster about retirement, as actually poverty rates have
continued declining for age 65+
- Change
math curriculum in schools: kids may not need trigonometry, but add compound
interest, Monte Carlo simulation into basic math curriculum. Lots of things
that could be more interesting and relevant for kids than traditional math
curriculum. Movement to integrate personal finance better into math curriculum
for children (but teachers can’t teach it because they don’t have these
personal finance skills either)
- Distinguish
between incentives and barriers: people have retirement on their minds and don’t
need further incentives. The big problem is barriers: fear and intimidation,
complications, fear of need to get it right
- Education
could focus not on how to structure a portfolio, but just to get people started
with a portfolio. Getting people engaged in the hard part. Once engaged,
default options can take care of the rest
- Make
a “Marlborough Man” financial advisor image
-l Frame
it as how to remove uncertainties. Eliminate the longevity risk for
individuals, etc. Lay out uncertainties one at a time and then try to deal with
those
- It
may not be irrational to not save for retirement: something simple like saving
for retirement vs. investing in your children’s future. What is the rational
decision. Education avoids the emotional aspect of saving for retirement and
making tradeoffs with other needs
- Is
there any data on the issue: are people thinking about retirement but more
motivated to deal with other needs instead?
- Will
power: how to pierce hyperbolic discounting. How to get people more engaged
with their future selves. New technology can help make future less strange and
less remote
- Wrap up:
research questions: how to frame retirement planning, what education is needed –
do people really need education in financial theory? What are people’s
tolerance for dealing with these tough subjects? Now to provide bite size
education? How to make planning holistic and focus not just on retirement which
may be further down the priority list. Incorporating marketing tools to help
educate people more effectively
**
Pitfall #2: Underestimating Expenses
- People
grossly underestimate expenses
- What
should be default recommendation on topic of default decision for long-term
care insurance? Moral hazard that you expect to be taken care of in not buy
LTCI. Do people trust that the insurance company will even be around in 35
years to payout on LTCI obligations? Are LTCI contracts inflation indexed? Uncertainty
about their adequacy. Hard to think about “future self” in terms of living in a
nursing home: will you be happier or not if you have LTCI in this situation.
Lots of issues speak again LTCI as default. Criteria for whether you qualify
for benefits are very subjective, which leads to a lot of adverse selection
being included in the pricing
- There
is a window for LTCI: low wealth means can’t afford, high wealth means can
self-insure
- Companies
are now pulling out of LTCI market.
- By
the time people may become aware of need for LTCI, it may be too late: too
expense or maybe already a health problem so can’t qualify
- Disability
rates have declined in elderly population, but that is now turning around as
increase in chronic diseases related to obesity, etc. People may have false expectations
about how low disability odds will be during retirement
- Reducing
heart disease and cancer will lead to increased dementia
- Mortgage
debt: is the amount of mortgage debt being extended into retirement increasing?
Are other new debt sources now being carried over into retirement? Are some
retirees still even paying off student debt?
- Is
60-70% a good replacement rate: depends on housing arrangements and health care
situation. Consumption vs. welfare: people may downsize their lives and still
be very happy. Compare ways to be happy on less
- Move
focus from retirement income to expenses; or focus instead on income and let
people figure out how to get their expenses to match their income
- One
retiree: what they really cared about was making sure to be able to pay for
daughter’s wedding
- Focus
on guaranteed floor to meet fixed costs. But health care questions throw this
off: housing needs may change, etc. So the problem is we don’t know how much to
guarantee for the floor
- People
may be adjust to spending, but health care becomes an unknown unknown, and so
it becomes very difficult to plan for
**
Pitfall # 3: Underestimating
Longevity/Years in Retirement
- People
expect to retire at 65, but actually retire at 61
- Underestimate
years in retirement because overestimate how long they will work and
underestimate how long they will live
- Just
in the last 10 years the issue has arisen that actuaries may be underestimating
life expectancy
- What
is more uncertain: market risk or longevity risk? At age 60, market risk is bigger, at age 70,
longevity risk is bigger. If not willing to be 100% stocks, it implies shouldn’t
be willing to also take the longevity risk. Fat tail of long life impacts you
more than fat tail of financial market risk
- Annuities
shouldn’t be treated as investments to compare with self insuring… they should
be treated as a type of insurance. They shouldn’t be expected to outperform on
average, they should be expected to protect from longevity risk. Annuities can’t
be expected to outperform investments.
- Adverse
selection is real and shows that people act rationally when buying
annuities. But then why do they not act
rationally when it comes to the Social Security claiming decision? How are the
decisions framed, and why do people behave in inconsistent ways about them
- People
get planning at 10-15 year horizons, but for 20+ years people do not believe at
all about plausibility of forecasts
- People
should have adaptive plans to respond to changing conditions, but at the same
time as mental capacity diminishes with age, it is also important to set the
plans in motion as early as possible
- If
a financial company realizes that a client has developed dementia, rules or law
may prohibit doing what is right for the client as a human being
- Important
to embrace and build on the idea that people should work longer. Need to change
the culture both in terms of expected retirement age, but employers also need
to be willing to create further employment opportunities for older people
- Retire
retirement as a concept, instead focus on life planning, financial planning,
and how this relates to continued work
- Cultural
aspect: people look down on the idea of elderly Walmart greeters, but perhaps
these changes should be better embraced; health and societal benefits from
being active with part-time work at later ages
- Annuities:
not buying an investment, but buying a stream of income.
- What
do people need to know? How should the information be framed? How should people
go about finding good and trustworthy sources for the information?
**
Pitfall #4: Retiring Too Early
-1961:
the year Social Security added early claiming age of 62 for men, this happened
for women in 1956. Since 1961, additional life expectancy for men at 62 is
about 6.21 years.
-For
couples: typical age gap is wife 2 years younger than husband. For 62 man and 60 women, expectancy to first
death=17.5 years, expectancy to second death is 29.2 years; length of
widowhood=11.7 years. Even from age 70, widowhood could be about 10 years on
average. This assumes independent life
spans. This is using cohort life tables from SSA
- Trying
the impossible: fund 25-30 year retirements with 35-40 year careers
- Over
last 35 years, retirement lengths (age of death – age of retirement) have
doubled
- Missed
opportunity: defer Social Security claiming age from 62 to 70 = 76% more
benefits
- When
the higher earner defers claiming age: two people benefit, the claimant and the
surviving spouse. At current interest
rates, this is a pretty good deal!
- With
current low interest rates, people should spend their financial assets down
first and hold off Social Security until age 70 [this is the Series strategy].
Don’t just tap all your assets at the same time at retirement (if retiring early)
[this is the Parallel strategy].
- Baseline
strategy: Lower earner claims at 66. Higher earner gets this spousal benefit.
Then at age 70, higher earner claims own benefit. Take advantage of both sets of benefits. This can produce significantly more lifetime
income.
- Note
that the higher earner can collect spousal benefit for a while after reaching
full retirement age
- “Paid
Up” Once you’ve worked for 40 years, you should be treated as paid up since
Social Security based only on top 35 years. This new class of worker should be
free from paying payroll tax, both for employee and employer. This would help encourage continued work.
Also Medicare becomes primary payer instead of secondary payer, freeing
employer of obligations for health payments. Employer would be encouraged to
pay higher salary
- State
and local pensions: retire at age 50 or 55. We just can’t afford 35 year retirements
with 30 year careers. No way.
- Retirement
is a 20th century phenomena, and all of the further increases in
lifespans are being taken as retirement rather than as work
- Why
is there age discrimination for jobs? Fear that older works have lower
productivity but can’t be paid less; also older workers hurt health care pool
and raises employer’s health care costs
- Delaying
Social Security can pay an internal real rate of return of 7% for a couple, 3%
for a single. Since Social Security is a
type of TIPS, compare this to current TIPS yields!
- People
are aware of benefits of delaying Social Security claiming, but: (1) fear not
living to 70, (2) fear that rules will be changed before 70
- The
deferral deal for Social Security has gotten better over time because of
increased life expectancies, while the increases for deferral stay the same. As
well, presently, with low interest rates the deferral deal becomes even
stronger. Social Security implicitly assumes a 2.9% real return in the
underlying economy
- Low
interest rates (real) dramatically change all of the relevant calculations
about Social Security claiming
- Not
much gain for lower earner to defer but big gain for higher earner to defer
- Social
Security Administration employees are actually incentivized to get people
started on Social Security benefits
- Keep
benefit structure exactly the same, but just reframe 70 as the full retirement
age. That framing might have a big effect to delay retirement
- People
might be comfortable with complex claiming strategies if they could put their
request on record with Social Security now without having to remember to do it
later
- Why
are IRS ages like 59.5 and 70.5 never changed?
- What
does a headline like “Social Security runs dry in 2033” do to a person? Do they
misunderstand it? Is it why they don’t
defer, because they figure that Social Security will disappear
- Are
financial advisors scaring people by making them think (incorrectly) that
Social Security is going to disappear?
- When
uncertainty increases, the discount rate increases, and you are really
motivated to just spend it today
- Risk
aversion measures of the population are up by 20-30% since early 2007
- People
see DB pension funds going bust, and are they extrapolating that too much to
Social Security? Does it make people more skeptical about any kind of
guarantee?
- Would
Social Security reform now help build trust about future solvency
**
Pitfall #5: Failing to Save Enough
- Near
retirees were more likely to switch to all cash after the financial crisis and
so missed subsequent recovery
- Evidence
definitely points to most investors buying high and selling low
- Are
people not saving because: (1) they can’t (2) they don’t know how much to save
(3) they don’t want to
- Evidence
shows that setting defaults for saving with 401(k) s do work. Automatic
enrollment, automatic savings escalation, diversified portfolio
- Employers
cut 401(k) matches as a way to cut wages in a more agreeable way for employees
- Auto
enrollment: people assumed that default savings rate is the recommended savings
rate, though it was only meant as a bare minimum. A reasonable strategy could
be embedded in the default and then that would provide an opportunity to
educate
- If
people receive financial advice by default, they may ignore. But if they first
have to answer yes/no about receiving advice, they might be more vested and
interested to listen
- New
start up: harness the power of spending as a savings behavior. Partner up with
someone else. When you don’t spend something (I skipped Starbucks) you send a
text message and your buddy should reply and say a good job. Pats you on the
back for saving and better links the spending and saving activity. They can
move your money to a savings account for you. Is the satisfaction from buying
something better than the satisfaction from having the good interaction with
your buddy? Create a game and a social community around savings behavior. Can
also enable conversations about targets and risk management between spouses
- With
default savings rates, we’ve set the bar too low and we are not communicating
what a good savings rate should be
- When
DC plans started, they were meant to be add on plans for voluntary savings. But
now things have shifted such that these plans become a key part of retirement income.
But our attitudes toward the plan have not caught up with the fact that these
plans are now so much more important
-l Rule
of thumb: Social Security contribution rate is 12.4%. Is that enough to survive on in
retirement? No? You want double that? Well, then your savings rate should be 12.4%
Wrap-Up
- We
need to know why people claim Social Security early. Is claiming behavior
related to asset levels? Data suggests
it is unrelated
- Do
people regret their savings and financial decisions after they’ve been retired
for some time? Help people near retirement understand what it is like to be in
retirement
- It
would be helpful to figure out what the Social Security reforms are going to be
sooner rather than later
- Got
to get a community feel into the dialogue and get people supporting each other
to work together toward meeting retirement goals
- Redefine
role of work. Call it life planning, not retirement planning. Again, Retire
Retirement.
- Need
a Modern Portfolio Theory for the Retirement Phase; how do measure benefits and
risks of different choices; need a commonly accepted theoretical framework; use
technology to and financial intermediaries to bring help
- Segment
life planning into 10 year chunks that people can really get their minds around
- What
3 policy changes are most important to focus energy on
- Get
people more comfortable with uncertainty and just working with some basic
guidelines
Wade --
ReplyDeleteTerrific gold mine of valuable points and thoughts. Thanks!
I'm glad I read them all. Right near the end, I found one that rang my bell. It said we need a modern portfolio theory for the retirement phase. Very good -- but we need even more to FIX the misapplication of MPT that's taught in the universities and mis-shapes the pre-retirement phase.
In the old days, before MPT struck, investors looked ahead to dollars for future years. The way MPT is taught and used, it diverts people from looking ahead to obsess on "return and risk" for the mere individual year.
That fix is the very heart of what my new Investment Education website is intended to help spark. http://bit.ly/IQDfmk
Dick Purcell
Dick,
DeleteWow, you read the whole thing! It was pretty long.
Thanks. I'm attaching the link with html to your webpage:
http://bit.ly/IQDfmk
Wade, thanks.
DeleteWhat the MPT geniuses did to advisors and investors is just crazy.
Misled them to STOP thinking about their financial futures.
Back before MPT, people thought of dollars and years ahead with compounding.
The MPT geniuses added probabilities – but dropped dollars, years, and compounding, misleading folks to misfocus on ”return and risk” for just one year, on the efficient frontier.
Took them away from thinking about their financial futures.
What I want to do, for pre-retirement phase, is advance thinking from one-year efficient frontier to plan and choose investment based on lifetime “GOAL Frontier.”
It will help get pre-retirement people back to thinking about their financial futures.
It’s shown at my new website that you offered link to, in your comment just above. At that website, see page on “Bodie v. Markowitz.”
Dick Purcell
Wade --
ReplyDeleteIn your long list of ideas from the Stanford conference, there was another favorite that reminded me of some of your work.
The comment from the conference is --
Framing retirement: maybe wrong approach is thinking about how to make the right decisions. That is too hard. Could frame as a translation: saving x% of your salary today translates into y% future spending level.
Your research on Safe Saving Rate is ideal for this. Can you add a Reply to this Comment with a link to your work on SSR?
Dick Purcell
Thanks Dick,
DeleteIt is
http://wpfau.blogspot.jp/2011/02/safe-savings-rates-new-approach-to.html
For this morning session, I didn't take my laptop out, but I wish I would have. I do have some written notes. It was about the experiences of Financial Engines in trying to figure out how to best get good outcomes for 401(k) participants. They started off as an education company to teach how to invest, then people wanted to be advised about what to do instead of general education, and then people went further and just want Financial Engines to do everything for them.
Dick, this might be a good topic for you to write about with regard to your Portfolio Pathfinder experiences. The overall theme people had was that the number of people who want to take an active interest in their retirement planning is very small, but the whole basis of Portfolio Pathfinder is that people do indeed want to be engaged and make their decisions. What do you think about all of this?
Wade –
DeleteThanks for that suggestion and question!
My experience with Portfolio Pathfinder is that the heart of the problem is the universities’ notion of “investment education.”
The #1 need is a new investment education DESIGNED FOR GUIDING PEOPLE. (For planners/advisors as well as interested investors.)
If the universities offered that, Portfolio Pathfinder would be a best-seller. And we’d be informing folks of $-result probabilities of best alternatives for their $ resources-plans-goals. Planners, advisors, and investors would be focused on investors’ $ futures, instead of abstractions about “expected return and risk” for the individual year.
Instead, the universities flood the nation with “investment education” that’s suited for academics and Wall Street types. For the 99% of American investors who are people, and for their planners/advisors, that’s the very opposite of what’s needed. Opposite in investment purpose, assumptions, presentation.
So I’m going the opposite direction from what you describe for Financial Engines. I want to do what I can to help spark universities to offer a new investment education FOR GUIDING PEOPLE. (It will be for planners/advisors as well as interested individual investors.)
That’s the mission of my new website. The one you offered a link to in your first Comment above: http://bit.ly/IQDfmk
Dick Purcell
Thanks Dick.
DeleteThis is a question I really wished I would have asked: What exactly was the education offered by Financial Engines, and how big of role did MPT play in that education? It is possible that MPT was emphasized, but I'm not sure.
Dick, by the way, you can include links in the comments with the normal HTML a href= style code.
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